Street Parking Problems

topic posted Tue, July 25, 2006 - 9:48 AM by  Rich
As many of you know, in the past few years street parking has become a serious issue in the Alamo Square area. I'm looking to try and solve this problem, or at least help us residents out a little, looking for other people interested in trying to make a change. For example more bike lanes in and around Alamoe Square, residential permit parking from 8am-8pm so people that work can get a chance to park before the dinner crowd rushes in, if anybody is interested in starting a discussion email me and let get it going. Everyone i talk to wants to make changes, all we need is a concrete plan, thanks for your time.
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  • Re: Street Parking Problems

    Tue, July 25, 2006 - 10:21 AM
    "Let me ask you a question. Do you think about traffic? Because I do, constantly. Traffic is caused by the single car driver. Single people get in their cars every morning. They drive and wonder why there's gridlock. This is what I've been working on. If you had a supertrain.... you give people a reason to get out of their cars. Coffee, great music... they will park and ride. I know they will."

    "But I still love my car, though."

    "Well... Oh."
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    Re: Street Parking Problems

    Tue, July 25, 2006 - 2:34 PM
    Sorry to rain on this parade...

    I, too, am concerned about traffic (and cars, and fossil fuels, and illegal wars) too, which is why I live/work in a city and take public transportation. Parking's not the issue, it's a byproduct of something larger. Parking in the city has ALWAYS been a problem, it's not a recent issue by any stretch of the imagination.

    A residential permit zone enforced until 8pm is unheard of in any neighborhood in SF. Why on earth would a residential neighborhood such as Alamo Square need one? What makes you think that the dinner crowd is not merely your fellow commuters jockeying over the same few spaces?

    The city (world?) needs less drivers, if anything.
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    Re: Street Parking Problems

    Tue, July 25, 2006 - 8:26 PM
    I think I'm going to have to agree with the other two posters. Wanna solve the traffic problem? Take the bus.
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      Re: Street Parking Problems

      Wed, July 26, 2006 - 7:55 AM
      I have never owned a car in SF (16 years) but rent them about 8 times a year. Not exactly scientific, but I think I notice when parking is getting better or worse. It was always bad, but around 1999 in the boom it went from bad to impossible and only slightly improved during the dot.calm bust. Gentrification has made parking worse as many of the newer residents are more likely to own cars. My 12 unit building is a perfect example. When I moved in 13 years ago, I think there were only 2 cars for the whole building - now there are at least 8.

      The city has to either scrap parking permits, or make everyone get them. As it is now, neighborhoods just across from the permit zone have some of the biggest parking problems. For example, south of Haight Street one needs a permit, and north of Haight Street there are plenty of cars without permits on the streets that belong to people living and visiting in the permit area.
  • Re: Street Parking Problems

    Tue, August 1, 2006 - 10:01 AM
    I totally know what you're talking about. With the Independent, Nopa, Madrone, etc., etc. (not to mention the Alouise garage on the corner of Scott and Divis)...parking is getting harder and harder. A residential parking permit would be perfect: it would give the residents a chance to get their parking on before the dinner crowd, it would encourage those residents to take the bus after work hours, and it would encourage people coming into the 'hood during the day to take the bus. I'm all for conserving gas and taking public transit, but I can also understand that some situations call for driving. The macro issue is affordable and efficient cars, a better public transit system, pedestrian city vs. vehicular city, more bike lanes (or bike-only roads), etc. However, I think Rich was talking about the micro picture, our neighborhood's parking. I would sign a petition for residential parking permits any day.

    To Tofu: Cambridge, MA has parking permits everywhere (and one hour parking for others, though you can get temporary visitor's permits, i think) and it seems to work fine. I think it even encourages people to take public transit to avoid tickets in other 'hoods.

    To Darren: Telling someone to take a bus to solve the traffic problem is like telling a homeless person to get a job to solve poverty.

    To Dan: I live/work in a city to get away from the kind of judgemental, holier-than-thou, my-way-or the-highway, monolithic thinking that you exhibit (you know, the kind of thinking we scorn if it were to come from the religeous right or the conservative war-mongers). I believe that the city (and the world) needs more people who can disagree productively, without being self-righteous and without turning discussions into a "your people" vs. "my people" thing.
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      Re: Street Parking Problems - Camridge vs. SF

      Tue, August 1, 2006 - 12:28 PM
      I used to live in Cambridge (before SF). The visitor permits were a good thing - they were limited to one per household and they came in handy for out-of-town visitors or if you rented or borrowed a car for a few days. There was also a maximum number of days a permit could be used for a particular vehicle and I remember the DPT there was pretty aggressive.

      At the time, maybe it has changed, it was a big problem in many neighborhoods that you could NEVER park without a permit -- even for an hour or two. Cambridge had plenty of busy bodies who would call the police the moment they saw a car parked without a permit. It was pretty ridiculous.

      The one thing that I always found amusing is the way a car with a P.A. system would drive though neighborhoods on street cleaning days making announcements to remind people to move their cars or get a ticket.
      • Re: Street Parking Problems - Camridge vs. SF

        Tue, August 1, 2006 - 1:19 PM
        NEVER being able to park is a bit extreme. From what i remember of cambridge, a lot of the 'hoods were purely residential, but i still don't see the reasoning for prohibiting visitor parking all together. Especially not in Alamo Square, where there are stores and restaurants (and wider streets to allow more cars). It would be nice to strike a balance between visitors and homebodies. I also have a huge problem with Alouis taking up my entire street with cars that they are working on- cars that could easily fit inside their monster building. Sorry, its a pet peeve. That, and people taking up two curb spots with one car (Alouis does it overnight on purpose to save spots for their employees- sorry: it's an obsession).

        BTW, the street cleaning warning is pretty darn cool. perhaps annoying to some late sleepers, but better than a ticket, no? it's certainly no worse than the extremely loud dump truck which idles outside side my window for more than 30 min. early in the morning on garbage days. i've always wondered what those guys were doing.
        • Re: Street Parking Problems - Camridge vs. SF

          Tue, August 1, 2006 - 4:35 PM

          I am not on this block, but this morning I saw the body shop (Something & Sons?? on Fulton) employees, at least 6-7 of them, each in a separate car, following the street sweeper around the block.
          As soon as street sweeper turned the corner of Fulton and Broderick towards Divis, they started parking the cars one at a time, covering the block from their shop to the corner. I knew they were parking some of the cars on the street because I see the number tags or work orders on their windows but I didn't know they take up so much space. And this is only one side of the street! Keep in mind that, 1/3 of the block has parkmeters, so whatever else is left is taken up by the body shop.
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      Re: Street Parking Problems

      Tue, August 1, 2006 - 4:30 PM

      The metered spots on Fell/Divis/Hayes in effect, provide the same function as what you are expecting from a neighborhood permit.

      The "dinner crowd" does not apply to Madrone & The Independent, both of those venues hit peak capacity well after the commuter hour.

      Please explain how another bike lane (as there are already several bike lanes in the neighborhood) would alleviate the parking situation. Are you saying that you would be persuaded to ride your bike instead of driving if there was another bike lane in the neighborhood?

      • Re: Street Parking Problems

        Tue, September 5, 2006 - 2:11 PM
        Hi, I commute from SF to San Jose using a car. I used to be a bicycle commuter for 10 years.

        Ever since the city has added more bicycle lanes, I've seen more availability in parking spaces. Bicycle commuters have gone from 7000 to 14000 per day. Imagine if all those cyclists decided to drive?

        As a reluctant car driver, it's definitely to my advantage to encourage other to take alternative forms of transportation.

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      Re: Street Parking Problems

      Tue, August 1, 2006 - 4:35 PM
      Wow, you've totally convinced me.

      Your analogy is flawed. A large number of homeless people are mentally unable to hold a steady job. Are you saying that car owners are mentally unable to not own a car? If you are admitting to mental illness, then I guess I'll give you that.

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